• Hallo! Mein Name ist Brian Capelle. Ich bin von Natopia. Es scheint, wie wir einmal einen Vertrag mit Ihnen hatten, aber ich bin nicht sicher, was geschah mit ihm... Ich wollte herausfinden, was los war, weil es wie wir erkennt es nicht irgendwie mehr aus irgendeinem Grund scheint, also ich nicht sicher bin, wenn wir zurücktraten, oder wenn Sie taten, oder wenn die Sprachbarriere ein Problem war. Wenn irgendwelche von Ihnen englisch sprechen, würde es bequem sein, wenn wir diese Sprache sprechen könnten. Sie können mit mir an grand {DoT} prince {aT} gmail {DoT} com in Verbindung treten.

    Brian Capelle

  • Welcome to Turania, Mr. Capelle. I can still remember our contacts to Natopia, but I am not sure, whether there was a treaty or not. Probably, the language was the main problem. But of course, Turania is ready to reestablish diplomatic relations to your country, if you wish.

    Sigurd Thorwald
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    Julius Langbehn

    "An Gott glauben nur diejenigen nicht, die ein Interesse daran haben, dass es keinen geben möchte."
    Francis Bacon

  • Right now, I am just acting because it is my job to transfer posts from our old forum to our new one. We registered a treaty under a list in a thread on the old one, but your nation was not linked as a diplomatic contact on our list so there was some question. Either we can mutually annull the previous one and start from scratch, or I can try to reposess the old one to show you guys again.

    I am not the Minister of Foreign Affairs, but the two sided coin is, for the moment we don't technically have one and I guess since I have a good deal of interest in FTR, I will be the contact.

    For what it is worth, how prevalent is German micronationalism? Is it about as large as English micronationalism? The english sector is having the issue of everyone wanting to be a King so only a few nations end up accomplishing much, although there is still a good bit of accomplishment.

  • Hello Mr Capelle,

    First I take the liberty to imagine myself, I am the new head of goverment in Turania

    I think the german word for Micronationalism is nearly the same.

    May a new treaty is smarter to handle, I m shure our foreign-minister take care about this, when he pick up this thread.

    If you have any questions please dont be avoid to contact my.

    Einmal editiert, zuletzt von Novenius Titus (9. August 2007 um 00:28)

  • This is what we had, and I have been advised this treaty is still in effect.

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    Original von Brian Capelle
    What I meant, which clearly translated badly, is how popular is micronationalism for German speaking people?


    It is quite popular, I would say. But German micronationalism is strictly limited to the internet. As far as I know, American micronations often try to become real states. That is not the case here in Germany.

    Now, I remember this treaty. Probably, it was not ratified by Turania. But I don't know why. Therefore, we just should start again from the beginning. Perhaps, you could tell us what happened in Natopia in the last years since we had contact?

    Sigurd Thorwald
    Generaladministrator

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    "Wer für alles offen ist, ist nicht ganz dicht."
    "Politischer Stillstand ist der Untergang eines jeden staatlichen Gemeinwesens!"

    "Einer, der Gott leugnet, gleicht einem, der die Sonne leugnet; es nutzt ihm nichts, sie scheint doch."
    Julius Langbehn

    "An Gott glauben nur diejenigen nicht, die ein Interesse daran haben, dass es keinen geben möchte."
    Francis Bacon

  • At one time there were new country projects prevalent, besides a British comedic TV show though that's largely over, unfortunately. Or perhaps fortunately, whichever you prefer. Sealand is still unrecognized on that platform, Hutt River still unrecognized, both of them ignore other micronations (particularly Sealand, which at this point is all about the money) and they are both still ignored by the outside world. No more new country projects have surfaced in years, and most of the ones that did already exist have failed.

    Natopia just moved to a new forum and we have a fairly new website and wiki. We are now the Supreme Sovereign Republic of Natopia, which I believe was our name when we contacted you, but since then we have had 7 total constitutions and several new forms of government.

    Tasneem recently had to leave due to bad circumstances. The only one still left from our first contact is Nathan. I have been there the second longest, but still I wasn't there at that point.

    http://natopia.uni.cc/

  • Does Natopia limit itself to the virtual world?

    Sigurd Thorwald
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    "Wer für alles offen ist, ist nicht ganz dicht."
    "Politischer Stillstand ist der Untergang eines jeden staatlichen Gemeinwesens!"

    "Einer, der Gott leugnet, gleicht einem, der die Sonne leugnet; es nutzt ihm nichts, sie scheint doch."
    Julius Langbehn

    "An Gott glauben nur diejenigen nicht, die ein Interesse daran haben, dass es keinen geben möchte."
    Francis Bacon

  • Err, well beyond light claims to the houses and general area of citizens homes, yes. Natopia is not a new country project... but is still less simulationist than you guys (though there is nothing wrong with that) because we only tend to count actual Natopian history as natopian history, as if what is there is there period. In other words, we have written no backstory. And it's interesting that you claim to have millions of citizens on the website, but we tend to use the actual active citizen count as our citizen count.

    Don't take this offensively, this is just pointing out the beauty of the broad range of micronations there are.

  • That seems to be the great difference between German and American micronations. Here in Germany, it is an unwritten law that a micronation is just a virtual simulation without any real claims. If the were such claims, that certain micronation would be ignored by the German micronational community. A German micronation therefore is like a real state, but strictly limited to the internet. It has a virtual territory on a virtual planet and of course (Millions of) virtual people living in it. The real persons behind it do not count. We strictly separate between the virtual world with Turania and its inhabitants and the real world of Germany and our players.
    So, it is hard for us to get in contact with Natopia, because you do not separate like German micronations do. Probably, this was the cause for us not to ratify the treaty. Nevertheless, I'd like to have diplomatic relations to Natopia. Perhaps, we could find a way to make it easier for Turania to accept the characteristics of Natopia.

    Sigurd Thorwald
    Generaladministrator

    77
    "Wer für alles offen ist, ist nicht ganz dicht."
    "Politischer Stillstand ist der Untergang eines jeden staatlichen Gemeinwesens!"

    "Einer, der Gott leugnet, gleicht einem, der die Sonne leugnet; es nutzt ihm nichts, sie scheint doch."
    Julius Langbehn

    "An Gott glauben nur diejenigen nicht, die ein Interesse daran haben, dass es keinen geben möchte."
    Francis Bacon

  • Well you see, this all has to do with origin. When Nate first came up with Natopia, he didn't (as far as I can remember) even know about micronations. What seemed to have happened is that he decided to "start a country" and his school picked up on it. Every body and their mother then started their own or wanted something to do with Nate's, but only Natopia stuck. Eventually, the friends that were part of this and him 'claimed' their houses, but mainly as a joke. After a while, the obvious medium to use was the internet, and micronationalism was eventually discovered.

    So don't take our old land claims seriously... they aren't even really around anymore in a way. Just like it's difficult for some in our sector of things to understand why people come up with fake histories for micronations. It's all about culture and circumstance. We very well may one day dump the idea of the house claims, because they were not meant to be taken seriously.

    Our sector is kind of funny. 5 years ago, New country projects were more prevalent than they are now and they would have taken simulation-only micronations as a total joke. Now they all failed, and new country projects are the ones that are laughed at if they try to exist, due to the simple unfeasibility.

  • Well, thank you for that. I am sure, our government will discuss these facts and tell you our decision. Perhaps, you could also tell us, whether there is an American micronational organization of cartography like the German OIK.

    Sigurd Thorwald
    Generaladministrator

    77
    "Wer für alles offen ist, ist nicht ganz dicht."
    "Politischer Stillstand ist der Untergang eines jeden staatlichen Gemeinwesens!"

    "Einer, der Gott leugnet, gleicht einem, der die Sonne leugnet; es nutzt ihm nichts, sie scheint doch."
    Julius Langbehn

    "An Gott glauben nur diejenigen nicht, die ein Interesse daran haben, dass es keinen geben möchte."
    Francis Bacon

  • Actually, as a result of infighting, there are two. The Micronational Cartography Society and the GSO, I am not sure what that stands for. I can't link you off of my head because I have a time limit, but you can search. For GSO try Geographical Standards Organization.

    Personally I hate the idea of a micronational cartographic society, but to each his own. I am going on vacation and will probably be back Monday.

  • Is Natopia part of such a micronational cartographic project?

    Sigurd Thorwald
    Generaladministrator

    77
    "Wer für alles offen ist, ist nicht ganz dicht."
    "Politischer Stillstand ist der Untergang eines jeden staatlichen Gemeinwesens!"

    "Einer, der Gott leugnet, gleicht einem, der die Sonne leugnet; es nutzt ihm nichts, sie scheint doch."
    Julius Langbehn

    "An Gott glauben nur diejenigen nicht, die ein Interesse daran haben, dass es keinen geben möchte."
    Francis Bacon

  • Well, at the moment we have claims on both. They are alright at this point with eachother enough to allow that. However, they tend to be useless now. They kind of give us backing to create our regions. Lesser governments and divisions have always been a part of Natopia for better or for worse, however useless they have proven themselves. Now, though, they seem to be a bit more useful if they had been, if that means anything.

  • Never heard of your country, contacts must have been before i entered Turanien.

    However, the forum looks nice and goats are cool so I recommend the government to try to establish a friendship between our nations.

    Friedrich "Onkel" Ho

    Präsident der Nationalversammlung

    Ho - Turanische Gesetze erschienen bei Hummel'sche Gesetzestexte

  • You should not be worried. I think, the main reason for this lack of correspondence is the fact that Turania's Minister of Foreign Affairs withdrew from office some weeks ago. A new minister has just been appointed by our president. I am sure, he will visit your country within the next few days.

    Sigurd Thorwald
    Generaladministrator

    77
    "Wer für alles offen ist, ist nicht ganz dicht."
    "Politischer Stillstand ist der Untergang eines jeden staatlichen Gemeinwesens!"

    "Einer, der Gott leugnet, gleicht einem, der die Sonne leugnet; es nutzt ihm nichts, sie scheint doch."
    Julius Langbehn

    "An Gott glauben nur diejenigen nicht, die ein Interesse daran haben, dass es keinen geben möchte."
    Francis Bacon

  • But do not put too much faith in this, as Arcor and Futuna know Turania has not much time to correspond with its neigbors and friends. Only Attekaria will get enougt attention due to personal interest of the minister of foreign affairs.

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    Höchsten Stolz beweist ein Mensch, der das Gute auch dann tut, wenn es niemand bemerkt.